tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8846031455080482087.post1242706086185664831..comments2024-03-16T00:16:10.703-07:00Comments on Mike's Musings: Fire of Elijah?Mike Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02475677258430349492noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8846031455080482087.post-2512072109449881192010-12-09T14:27:28.608-08:002010-12-09T14:27:28.608-08:00Like Andrew, some Breslov hasidim also believe the...Like Andrew, some Breslov hasidim also believe the Carmel fires are actually the fault of Israel's spiritual leaders who have not accepted the <a href="http://nanachcartoon.blogspot.com/2010/12/fires-in-north-israel-cannot-be.html" rel="nofollow">true Jewish Messiah</a>... <br /><br />he is Saba - of course - Na Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meuman!<br /><br />Joseph WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8846031455080482087.post-14835696184071010812010-12-08T03:49:50.993-08:002010-12-08T03:49:50.993-08:00Hello Mike - you ask a question about Israel as a ...Hello Mike - you ask a question about Israel as a people before God. Hosea records that God divorced northern Israel, but even in divorce the Israelites are still loved and God plans to restore them within a New Covenant. The population of the state of Israel today are of the 2/3rds Judahites that Zechariah sees separated from God. The Church is the 1/3rd of the tribe of Judah that remained faithful to Jesus. But God wishes to restore all people in Christ, Israelites, Judahites, Levites, Benjaminites and Gentiles. <br /><br />Am I being inconsistent about the Torah? I was simply asking a rhetorical question; the reason there are no prophets in the state of Israel is because I believe it is not in relationship with God, but has been established in lawlessness (in Mosaic terms - this is also a point that the group True Torah Jews against Zionism make). <br /><br />I am simply asking questions about prophecy, Stephen Jones writes a lot and I do not accept it all, but a lot is of interest - he has a depth of knowledge about the OT that I have not found in many other theologians. If the Mt Carmel fire is a prophetic sign, it may have wider considerations than Stephen Jones alludes to. I genuinely fear for the state of Israel and the faith of CZist if the state is destroyed by Iran, Hizbolah etc. I pray that the Israeli's may turn to Christ in repentance first. It is better to face the fire of God's Holy Spirit instead of real flames. <br /><br />I was brought up on Hal Lindsay, and although I thought him to be of interest I thought him wrong on some points. So I have been trying to understand the present situation in a way that better fits Scripture and facts on the ground. I don't pretend to have the complete picture, but there are ways of making progress that address problems in CZ theology, although most CZists would not be able to accept this. <br /><br />I have no knowledge of Gilad Atzmon's views on the holocaust, although he is a Jew. I have stated many times that I have no reason to question the holocaust so if that link causes offence then apologies offered.Andrew Sibleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320404398203325755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8846031455080482087.post-17003890685321420422010-12-08T02:20:07.087-08:002010-12-08T02:20:07.087-08:00Thanks you Andrew.
I wouldn't count on Rabbi O...Thanks you Andrew.<br />I wouldn't count on Rabbi Ovadia Yosef having a better knowledge of biblical Torah than Christians, you included. He is more of an expert on the Oral Torah. <br />But I have three questions. The first is, Do you believe Israel is still the people of God and that the people stil stand in a unique covenantal relationship with God? If not, how can you apply Torah to them.<br />Secondly, could you clarify your reference to "Elijah's fire"? Do you mean the fire referred to in Dr Stephen E. Jones' page that you link to.<br />Thirdly, why do you have a link to the page of Holocaust denier, Gilad Atzmon?Mike Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02475677258430349492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8846031455080482087.post-88131042377559762042010-12-08T02:02:40.968-08:002010-12-08T02:02:40.968-08:00For those who criticise me for asking questions ab...For those who criticise me for asking questions about prophetic signs in relation to Israel, I would like to ask a question.<br /><br />Why do Christian Zionists feel at liberty to ignore Moses ? This lack of respect for Moses troubles me and was another reason for me to reject CZism. Rabbi Yusef presumably knows his Torah better than many CZs. CZs should be praying for God to raise up prophets if the state of Israel really has spiritual significance before God.<br /><br />Deuteronomy 18:14-19<br />14 The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.” <br /><br /> 17 The LORD said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name.Andrew Sibleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320404398203325755noreply@blogger.com